Comments on: The Idol Of Liberty http://www.genepensiero.com/blog/2009/07/20/the-idol-of-liberty/ the God of the universe is madly in love with you Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:43:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: wife http://www.genepensiero.com/blog/2009/07/20/the-idol-of-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-5163 wife Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:22:10 +0000 http://www.genepensiero.com/jr/blog/?p=2704#comment-5163 I think an unbeliever should be able to tell by my day-to-day conduct that I'm different. That my life is simply lived differently than theirs. I also think other Christians should easily be able to recognize me as a Christian. If either one can't distinguish between me and a worldly person - on a very basic level - then I need to adjust some (or many) of my behaviors. If we're not separate from the world in our conduct, our joy, our peace, then ministering to and evangelizing unbelievers is likely going to be much less effective coming from us. I agree with Andrew - a mature believer should be living sacrificially for the Lord. I don't believe Jesus, who was living wholly inside the will of God the Father, would choose Himself or His own rights/liberties if it meant offending or stumbling someone. And if Jesus wouldn't do it, who do I think I am? What is it to me if I have to give something up in order to love others and protect them from stumbling? Can you imagine looking Jesus in the face and telling Him that your need to [insert liberty verbage here] was THAT important? I'd like to be able to look Jesus in the face and tell Him that my desire was to bring glory to HIS name, and to fully realize that my own name didn't matter at all.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5163','wife'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5163','wife','I think an unbeliever should be able to tell by my day-to-day conduct that I\'m different. That my life is simply lived differently than theirs. I also think other Christians should easily be able to recognize me as a Christian. If either one can\'t distinguish between me and a worldly person - on a very basic level - then I need to adjust some (or many) of my behaviors. If we\'re not separate from the world in our conduct, our joy, our peace, then ministering to and evangelizing unbelievers is likely going to be much less effective coming from us.\r\n\r\nI agree with Andrew - a mature believer should be living sacrificially for the Lord. I don\'t believe Jesus, who was living wholly inside the will of God the Father, would choose Himself or His own rights\/liberties if it meant offending or stumbling someone. And if Jesus wouldn\'t do it, who do I think I am? What is it to me if I have to give something up in order to love others and protect them from stumbling? Can you imagine looking Jesus in the face and telling Him that your need to [insert liberty verbage here] was THAT important? I\'d like to be able to look Jesus in the face and tell Him that my desire was to bring glory to HIS name, and to fully realize that my own name didn\'t matter at all.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think an unbeliever should be able to tell by my day-to-day conduct that I’m different. That my life is simply lived differently than theirs. I also think other Christians should easily be able to recognize me as a Christian. If either one can’t distinguish between me and a worldly person – on a very basic level – then I need to adjust some (or many) of my behaviors. If we’re not separate from the world in our conduct, our joy, our peace, then ministering to and evangelizing unbelievers is likely going to be much less effective coming from us.

I agree with Andrew – a mature believer should be living sacrificially for the Lord. I don’t believe Jesus, who was living wholly inside the will of God the Father, would choose Himself or His own rights/liberties if it meant offending or stumbling someone. And if Jesus wouldn’t do it, who do I think I am? What is it to me if I have to give something up in order to love others and protect them from stumbling? Can you imagine looking Jesus in the face and telling Him that your need to [insert liberty verbage here] was THAT important? I’d like to be able to look Jesus in the face and tell Him that my desire was to bring glory to HIS name, and to fully realize that my own name didn’t matter at all.

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]]> By: Andrew http://www.genepensiero.com/blog/2009/07/20/the-idol-of-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-5162 Andrew Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:43:50 +0000 http://www.genepensiero.com/jr/blog/?p=2704#comment-5162 Good question. I think Romans 14 has to be the line that we draw. You talk about the stumble piece of that and that is what Paul was addressing. We have the freedom, but the real mature believer will give up that freedom if it is going to be a problem.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5162','Andrew'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5162','Andrew','Good question. I think Romans 14 has to be the line that we draw. You talk about the stumble piece of that and that is what Paul was addressing. We have the freedom, but the real mature believer will give up that freedom if it is going to be a problem.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Good question. I think Romans 14 has to be the line that we draw. You talk about the stumble piece of that and that is what Paul was addressing. We have the freedom, but the real mature believer will give up that freedom if it is going to be a problem.
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]]> By: Shellie (baylormum) http://www.genepensiero.com/blog/2009/07/20/the-idol-of-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-5161 Shellie (baylormum) Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:17:51 +0000 http://www.genepensiero.com/jr/blog/?p=2704#comment-5161 Wow. Finding that balance with the world is sometimes a tough one. I want to stand up for my rights, but I also want to make sure I'm not stepping on toes. Christian or not. I'm mostly a pacifist. I think separation from the world can't happen. We have to be able to go out into the world & spread the Word. We are instructed to do this. I can't ignore what goes on around & not be affected by what goes on. So many choose battles "in the name of God" but isolate themselves by being looney about it. I think of the LA RAWRS where that group "protested" while people stood in line. Called MM a rock band. Said that Jesus wouldn't have liked rock. Did they have a letter or a tweet from Jesus that actually states that? I may not like his views, but I also cannot judge this crazy man. (I just did, oops.) Really. That is not part of my job description as a Christian. Does that mean I wanna hold hands with him? Not today. But, I will not yell back. I will not judge. Today's "American" church has some broken pieces. Man against Man. Instead of remembering who is at the center of it all. As I was reminded last night. We are only on this Earth so few days. We need to make it count. +<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5161','Shellie (baylormum)'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5161','Shellie (baylormum)','Wow. Finding that balance with the world is sometimes a tough one. I want to stand up for my rights, but I also want to make sure I\'m not stepping on toes. Christian or not. I\'m mostly a pacifist. \r\n\r\nI think separation from the world can\'t happen. We have to be able to go out into the world & spread the Word. We are instructed to do this. I can\'t ignore what goes on around & not be affected by what goes on. So many choose battles \"in the name of God\" but isolate themselves by being looney about it. I think of the LA RAWRS where that group \"protested\" while people stood in line. Called MM a rock band. Said that Jesus wouldn\'t have liked rock. Did they have a letter or a tweet from Jesus that actually states that? I may not like his views, but I also cannot judge this crazy man. (I just did, oops.) Really. That is not part of my job description as a Christian. Does that mean I wanna hold hands with him? Not today. But, I will not yell back. I will not judge.\r\n\r\nToday\'s \"American\" church has some broken pieces. Man against Man. Instead of remembering who is at the center of it all. As I was reminded last night. We are only on this Earth so few days. We need to make it count.\r\n\r\n+'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Wow. Finding that balance with the world is sometimes a tough one. I want to stand up for my rights, but I also want to make sure I’m not stepping on toes. Christian or not. I’m mostly a pacifist.

I think separation from the world can’t happen. We have to be able to go out into the world & spread the Word. We are instructed to do this. I can’t ignore what goes on around & not be affected by what goes on. So many choose battles “in the name of God” but isolate themselves by being looney about it. I think of the LA RAWRS where that group “protested” while people stood in line. Called MM a rock band. Said that Jesus wouldn’t have liked rock. Did they have a letter or a tweet from Jesus that actually states that? I may not like his views, but I also cannot judge this crazy man. (I just did, oops.) Really. That is not part of my job description as a Christian. Does that mean I wanna hold hands with him? Not today. But, I will not yell back. I will not judge.

Today’s “American” church has some broken pieces. Man against Man. Instead of remembering who is at the center of it all. As I was reminded last night. We are only on this Earth so few days. We need to make it count.

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